If you're just here for the brake line kit at a better price than you can get from LCEPerformance, you can pick one up here: Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit
We all have to eat crow sometimes. We've all made mistakes. The most important thing is how you react in those situations. So, "give me a fork!"
A couple years ago, as one of my early modifications, I added Tundra brakes to the Tacoma. This isn't anything out of the ordinary - it's one of the more common mods in my opinion. In doing so, I had a decision to make - the same decision that everyone who does this upgrade has to make:
How was I going to connect the new 13WL calipers to the Tacoma?
I of course had all the options that everyone has:
- Use the existing Tacoma brake lines and banjo bolts, very carefully drilling out the end of the banjo bolt so it would fit the shorter threaded insert on the Tundra caliper.
- Purchase Wheeler's Stainless Steel front brake lines, since they come with a banjo bolt that is short enough to work with some Tundra calipers.
- Purchase a Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit that replaces the banjo connection with a hard brake line, just like the Tundra has from the factory. (until now, these were only sold by LCE Performance for a ton of money; see below)
I knew there was no way I was doing option 1, and the price difference between option 3 ($180) and option 2 ($60) seemed to me like a great reason to go with the Wheelers lines. After all I thought - the Tacoma uses a banjo bolt from the factory, so it must be OK to do the same with the Tundra calipers. And, for two years, it worked out great. That is, until one of my calipers seized up on the trail and I had to replace it. As part of that process, I learned the hard way that not all Tundra calipers are correctly remanufactured to work with banjo bolts. At first I thought this was super weird, but as I thought about it, the reason for this dawned on me: if you're using the Tundra 13WL for it's intended use - on a Tundra - the special machining needed to use a banjo bolt is unnecessary, since the Tundra doesn't use a banjo.
And that got me to thinking - yes, a dangerous state for my simple brain - what if another caliper failed on the trail? Would I be able to find one that works with a banjo bolt?
And so, I decided that the right path forward was to pull a fork out of the drawer and eat some crow. It was time for me to dish out a bit more money and make my Tundra brake upgrade right - by installing the LCEPerfomance Tacoma-to-Tundra Stainless Steel Brake Line Kit.
Note: I feel that the LCEPerformance kit is way too expensive at $180. So I researched and put together an equivalent kit for ~$120. If you are interested, you can pick one up here: Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit
It's a simple job, so once the parts arrived, and with a few trips coming up, I wasted no time in getting going. Oh, and I decided to install new brake pads at the same time - since mine were worn from being "stuck on."
The first step in this five-step process is to jack up the truck and remove the front wheels. Always a really weird way to see the truck - sort of vulnerable or something.
Next, it's a simple matter of removing the existing brake lines from the frame to the caliper, as well as the bracket that holds the line to the spindle. The hardest part of this process is removing the small retaining clip that holds the brake line at the frame - but a few minutes with some needle nose pliers and you should be able to get it out.
Once you do, a 10mm flare nut wrench will separate the soft line from the hard line and you can cap the hard line with a vacuum cap so it doesn't leak everywhere. Then, use a 14mm socket (set) to remove the banjo bolt from the caliper, as well as the bracket from the spindle. Note: make sure to pop out the ABS sensor clip from the bracket as well if you've got ABS.
With everything removed, it's simply a matter of installing the Tundra-conversion hardware. I started by installing the supplied bracket onto the spindle, and then the hard line between the caliper and bracket. This took a little figuring since LCE doesn't send any instructions, but the hard lines only fit between the caliper and bracket in one configuration, so you'll only need to try a few combinations before you get it.
Then, it's a simple matter of installing the softline between the two hard lines - do the one at the bracket first, then pop the vacuum cap off of the hard line at the frame and make the final connection using you 10mm flare nut wrench. Pop a clip on each end to secure the hard lines, and you're nearly there!
With everything in place, bleed the brakes using an 8mm flare nut wrench, starting with the passenger- and moving to the driver-side when the brake fluid is bubble-free. Reinstall the wheels, and know - no matter what Tundra 13WL caliper you install next, you'll have no problem with leaking brake fluid!
Epilogue (aka Rant)
With everything now working, I've got a little something to say about LCEPerformance. Actually, two somethings.
First, they have 3 versions of their brake line conversion kit - a standard length, and then 3"- and 6"-extended versions. Since I figured I'd replace the rear brake line too (the kit comes with a rear line), I gave them a call to confirm that the extended line was for the rear only - after all, the front lines would be the same regardless of lift, since the front geometry is limited by the control arms and spindle - any suspension lift only affects where the control arms are positioned at rest.
But, two people at LCE insisted that if I had a lift, I needed extended lines because the lift would move the calipers further away from the frame. And, when I asked about just getting a longer rear line and standard front lines, they informed me that the price would be significantly more for "custom length" lines. Even though the "custom" lines were a length they already sell.
Which brings me to the second item: price. The LCE kit is $180 or so shipped. That's a ton of money for some brake lines. So, as of now, I'm in the Tacoma-to-Tundra Brake Line Conversion Kit business. This hard line kit now contains all the necessary parts including the soft lines, but does not include or require a rear brake line - saving you even more money.
The kit includes:
- Two hard lines, bent to fit between a 13WL caliper and the (included) spindle bracket. One right and one left.
- Two spindle brackets, meant to secure the connection between the hard and soft lines
- Two brake line clips, to secure the soft line at the spindle bracket.
- Two stainless steel soft brake lines (made by the same folks that make Wheelers stainless brake lines) that connect the hard lines on the frame to the hard lines in the kit.
Pick up a kit over in the AdventureTaco store today!
Interesting on the rant / new "business"...
I already have implemented Option 2: Purchase Wheeler's Stainless Steel front brake lines, since they come with a banjo bolt that is short enough to work with some Tundra calipers"
with extended front & rear lines from Wheeler's.
How long are the lines for the purchase option 2: "Stainless Steel Kit."? I wonder if you can cut costs some by allowing those of us already with the stainless braided lines to insert the hard lines in the end or if there will be too much extra length flopping around.
Unfortunately, you need new soft front lines when you do the hard line upgrade because the hard line connects to the soft line using a threaded connection, not using the banjo bolt that we all have on our Wheelers (or similar) Tacoma soft lines.
Ah, ok. Does the "Stainless Steel Kit" come with a rear line? I don't need one of those as I have already installed a extended one in a stupid red color.
Nope, as noted above - no rear line... Since that's not what the tundra brake upgrade is all about anyway. ?
Just one note on another option out there. Raybestos makes a brand new Tundra caliper that has the machined surface ideal for a banjo bolt. No core charge and it works really well. Also has a 10 yr. warranty they say. Of course out in the boonies, you want more options versus less, so I totally understand your course of action. Paid $200 flat for the new calipers shipped to my door, so we'll see how they hold up. Cheers!
I'd like to buy a brake line kit.
Cool. Shoot me an email using the contact form here and we can work out the details. https://adventuretaco.com/contact/
Will this kit work with the MCM Fab long travel kit? The spindle being out an additional 3.5" from the factory location approx.
Hey Andrew, sorry for the slow reply - out on the trail at the moment! 🙂
The kit probably wouldn't work as-is, but could be made to work. Here's what would have to happen.
I could definitely put together a set with longer soft lines if you are interested. Pricing would be similar, but I'd have to quote you specifics once I'm back, and there'd be a bit of lead time to get the lines made.
If you're interested, contact me here (https://adventuretaco.com/contact) and let me know. Would be cool to get a kit that works with long travel!
Just wondering as I might be heading to a junkyard soonish, could someone just take the hard lines off the actual 2005 v8 4x4 Tundra the calipers came from and use those with new factory rubber lines for the Tundra?
While you could get the 13WL calipers at the junkyard, that's probably all you can salvage. While you might be able to use the hard lines (I'm not sure - the bends and mounting to the spindle might be different), the factory rubber lines definitely won't work. The Tundra and Tacoma mount in different places and so need different lines.
That's a big part of the reason I put together the Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit, so that you can be confident that you get the hard lines with the correct bends and spindle mounting, and so that the soft lines (stainless in the case of the kit) will be the right size/type.
Gul dernit--- I had the same question as Rafe. Guess I'll be Ordering that kit.
also- can you get a good pic of the soft line connection to the Tacoma brake lines?
Are the pad spacers absolutely necessary?
Hey Tom, Happy to get a photo for you. Not sure exactly what you're looking for though. Do you want a photo of the soft lines at the frame, or at the spindle (where it transitions again to hard line into the caliper)? And, for the spacers/shims - I don't know if they are 100% necessary, but Toyota installs them, and I've never seen an install without them.
And, I'm happy to get a kit out to you today - you can order directly online or shoot me an email here and I can send an invoice.
Hey there, interested in the kit. Where are these shipping from and at what rate?
Say I ordered one in the next few hours, could the parts get to me here in LA CA by end of week?
I've sent you an email (to the email you posted here) with details. Short answer is that I can do expedited shipping to get it there if you order by 4:45pm Pacific time.
If i purchase this kit for a 2002 tacoma, would all i need to do is buy tundra brake pads, rotors, and calipers for say a 2005 tundra?
Hey Cody, Yep, all you need are those items in addition to the lines. This page has a great step-by-step guide (with pics) on the upgrade, as well as links to all the parts needed (at varying price points): Step by Step Tundra Brake Upgrade on a Tacoma (or 4Runner)
This is an excellent upgrade...well done.
Not sure if you have answered this already...just found this article
Will this work on 2wd models
2001 Tacoma crew cab V6 Prerunner w/TRD off road package
Hi Abel, glad you found the write-up and I hope it's helpful to you. It will work with any 6-lug Tacoma, so it will work perfectly with your 2001 Tacoma crew cab V6 Prerunner w/TRD off road package. By all means, let me know if you have any more questions, always happy to help!